Quotulatiousness

September 27, 2023

Attributing quotes to historical figures

Filed under: History, Quotations — Tags: — Nicholas @ 04:00

As the keeper of a blog that originated as a way to share the interesting quotations I encountered, I’ve had to become much more sensitive about correctly attributing what was said to the authentic original speaker or writer (it was one of the driving forces for me to move toward longer quotes to ensure that the context wasn’t lost). David Friedman has apparently also being collecting quotes, but knowing that they’re bogus:

There are a lot of bogus quotes on line, only some of them described as such. I have tried to limited my collection to things the person they were attributed didn’t say, or didn’t say first, but should have.

Winston Churchill:

    If you’re not a liberal when you’re 25, you have no heart. If you’re not a conservative by the time you’re 35, you have no brain.

This is one that can be identified as bogus on internal evidence. Churchill was born in 1874, elected to parliament as a conservative in 1900, switched to the liberal party in 1904 and back to the conservatives in 1924, so was a liberal well after 35. That version of the quote — there are others — probably originated in America, where liberal/conservative was a more natural pairing of opposites than in Churchill’s Britain, where both liberals and conservatives were opposed by Labor.

My preferred version of the line is:

    If my son is not a socialist before he is twenty I will disinherit him. If he is a socialist after thirty I will disinherit him.

That makes more sense for Churchill but he didn’t say it either.

The original version is apparently by French premier and historian Francois Guizot (1787-1874):

    Not to be a republican at 20 is proof of want of heart; to be one at 30 is proof of want of head.” (I haven’t been able to find the French original).

A still earlier comment along similar rhetorical lines attributed by Thomas Jefferson to John Adams:

    A boy of 15 who is not a democrat is good for nothing, and he is no better who is a democrat at 20.

Exchanges

Churchill:

    Lady Astor, would you sleep with me for a million pounds?

Astor:

    Perhaps I would.

Churchill:

    Would you sleep with me for five pounds?

Astor:

    Mr. Churchill, what kind of woman do you think I am?!

Churchill:

    Madam, we’ve already established that. Now we are haggling about the price.

Astor:

    If I were married to you, I’d put poison in your coffee.

Churchill:

    If I were married to you, I’d drink it

Shaw to Churchill:

    Enclosed find two tickets to my new play. Bring a friend — if you have one.

Churchill to Shaw:

    Cannot attend first night. Will attend second night — if there is one.

There is no evidence that any of the three exchanges occurred.

    Si non e vero, e ben trovato.

A final quote of unknown origin sometimes attributed to Churchill:

    In England, everything is permitted except what is forbidden.
    In Germany, everything is forbidden except what is permitted.
    In France, everything is allowed, even what is prohibited.
    In the USSR, everything is prohibited, even what is permitted.

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