{"id":88304,"date":"2024-09-23T01:00:29","date_gmt":"2024-09-23T05:00:29","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/?p=88304"},"modified":"2024-09-22T09:03:59","modified_gmt":"2024-09-22T13:03:59","slug":"qotd-on-roman-values","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/2024\/09\/23\/qotd-on-roman-values\/","title":{"rendered":"QotD: On Roman Values"},"content":{"rendered":"

\"\"<\/a>I wanted to use this week’s fireside to muse a bit on a topic I think I may give a fuller treatment to later this year, which is the disconnect between what it seems many “radical traditionalists” imagine traditional Roman values to be and actual<\/em> Roman cultural values.<\/p>\n

Now, of course it isn’t surprising to see Roman exemplars mobilized in support of this or that value system, as people have been doing that since the Romans<\/em>. But I think the disconnect between how the Romans actually thought<\/em> and the way they are imagined to have thought<\/em> by some of their boosters is revealing, both of the roman worldview and often the intellectual and moral poverty of their would-be-imitators.<\/p>\n

In particular, the Romans are sometimes adduced by the “RETVRN” traditionalist crowd as fundamentally masculine, “manly men” \u2013 “high testosterone” fellows for whom “manliness” was the chief virtue. Romans (and Greeks) are supposed to be super-buff, great big fellows who most of all value strength. One fellow on Twitter even insisted that the chief Roman value was VIRILITAS<\/a>, which was quite funny, because virilitas<\/em> (“manhood, manliness”) is an uncommon word in Latin, but when it appears it is mostly as a polite euphemism for “penis”. Simply put, this vision bears little relation to actual Roman values. Roman encomia<\/em> or laudationes<\/em> (speeches in praise of something or someone) don’t usually highlight physical strength, “high testosterone” (a concept the Romans, of course, did not have) or even general “manliness”. Roman statues of emperors and politicians may show them as reasonably fit, but they are not ultra-ripped body-builders or Hollywood heart-throbs.<\/p>\n

Bret Devereaux, “Fireside Friday, March 29, 2024 (On Roman Values)”, A Collection of Unmitigated Pedantry<\/em><\/a>, 2024-03-29.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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