{"id":85931,"date":"2023-11-25T05:00:00","date_gmt":"2023-11-25T10:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/?p=85931"},"modified":"2023-11-24T22:10:00","modified_gmt":"2023-11-25T03:10:00","slug":"ridley-scotts-napoleon","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/2023\/11\/25\/ridley-scotts-napoleon\/","title":{"rendered":"Ridley Scott’s Napoleon<\/em>"},"content":{"rendered":"

I was initially quite interested in Ridley Scott’s Napoleon<\/em>, but given the criticism from historians, I doubt I’ll make the effort to see the film in the theatre. I’ve quite enjoyed some of Scott’s earlier “historic” movies, but it appears that he’s taken the historical figure of Napoleon and “interpreted” it to better fit his preferences for a film. Bret Devereaux<\/a>‘s initial response is rather telling:<\/p>\n

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For this week’s musing<\/strong>, I want to comment at least briefly on dust-up surrounding Ridley Scott’s latest film, Napoleon<\/em> and historians. As was evidently heavily reported, Ridley Scott responded to historians doing critiques of the film’s historical accuracy by telling them to “get a life”<\/a> and suggesting that the earliest works on Napoleon were the most accurate and that subsequent historians have just progressively gotten more wrong<\/a>.<\/p>\n

I think there are two questions to untangle here: is the film accurate and does it matter? Now I haven’t yet seen the film, I’ve only seen the trailer. But my response to the trailer seems to have been basically every historian’s response to the trailer: Napoleon shows up at all sorts of places, doing all sorts of things he didn’t do. In particular, the battle scenes I’ve seen in the trailer and other snippets bear functionally no relationship to either Napoleonic warfare in general or the Battle of Austerlitz in particular (the bit with large numbers of soldiers drowning in a frozen lake was disconfirmed at the time<\/em>; the lake was drained and few remains were found).<\/p>\n

All of this is not a huge shock. All of Ridley Scott’s historical movies take huge liberties with their source material. Sometimes that’s in the service of a still interesting meditation on the past (Kingdom of Heaven<\/em>, The Last Duel<\/em>), sometimes in service of just a fun movie (Gladiator<\/em>). Ridley Scott, in particular, has never mastered how basically any historical battle was fought and all of the battle scenes in his movies that I’ve seen are effectively nonsense<\/strong> (including Gladiator<\/em>, which bears functionally no relationship to how Roman armies actually fought open field battles). Cool looking nonsense, but nonsense. Heck, Gladiator<\/em>‘s entire plot<\/em> is basically nonsense with some characters sharing historical names and very little else with their actual historical counterparts (the idea of Marcus Aurelius aiming to restore the republic in 180 is pretty silly).<\/p>\n

So it isn’t a surprise that Ridley Scott’s grasp on Napoleonic warfare is about at the level of a not particularly motivated undergraduate student or that he has finessed or altered major historical details to make a better story. Its Ridley Scott, that’s what he does. Sometimes it works great (Kingdom of Heaven<\/em>), sometimes it works poorly (Exodus: Gods and Kings<\/em>).<\/p>\n

Does it matter?<\/p>\n

Unsurprisingly, I think that Ridley Scott is being more than a bit silly with his retorts to historians who are using his film as an opportunity to teach about the past. That’s what we do<\/em>. Frankly, I find the defensiveness of “get a life” more than a bit surprising, as I assumed Ridley Scott knew he didn’t have much of a grasp on the history and was OK with that (or better yet, did<\/em> have a grasp on it, but chose to alter it; I do not get this sense from his commentary), but it rather seems like he thinks he does<\/em> know and is now very upset with the D+ he got on his exam and has decided to blame his “nitpicky” professor instead of his not having done the reading.<\/p>\n

That said, when it comes to criticism<\/em> (in the sense of “saying things are wrong<\/em>“, rather than in the sense of “critical analysis”), I think there is a distinction to make. In the past I’ve framed this as the degree to which works “make<\/a> the claim<\/a>” to some kind of historical validity. It might be a fun exercise to talk about the armor in, say, Dungeons and Dragons<\/em><\/a> or The Elder Scrolls<\/em> and we might even learn something doing that, but neither of those works is making any claim to historical accuracy or rootedness. And so the tenor of the discussion is quite different.<\/p>\n

But here I think Ridley Scott is to a significant degree making the claim. Of the battles, Ridley Scott says<\/a>, “It’s amazing because you’re actually reconstructing the real thing” and that he “started to think like Napoleon”, which is once again both clearly making that claim<\/em><\/strong> (“the real thing”) and also just a remarkable thing to say given how much of a mess his battle scenes generally are. He also comments that “the scale of everything is so massive … I’d have 300 men and a hundred horses and 11 cameras in the field” and while that’s far more cameras than were on any Napoleonic battlefield, that’s just not a statement which suggests that Ridley Scott is even very aware of other achievements in recreating historical battles. Gettysburg<\/em> (1993) had something on the order of five thousand<\/em> reenactors on the field for filming and it is by no means the largest such effort! Spartacus<\/em> (1967) had a cast of eight thousand<\/em> Spanish soldiers to play the Roman legions.<\/p>\n

So while I do not know if Napoleon<\/em> is a good movie or not \u2013 I haven’t seen it yet \u2013 it seems pretty clear to me that Ridley Scott did make the claim<\/em> for some of its fundamental historicity and the response of historians has been to reject that claim. And I think it’s actually quite fair to also skewer the apparent whiny arrogance of Scott making that claim baselessly and then responding petulantly when historians handed him that “D+, please come see me after class”. If you want to make historical fiction, by all means do \u2013 Scott is very good at it! \u2013 but do not be upset if historians call it what it is.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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