{"id":79813,"date":"2023-05-23T01:00:44","date_gmt":"2023-05-23T05:00:44","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/?p=79813"},"modified":"2023-05-22T09:26:49","modified_gmt":"2023-05-22T13:26:49","slug":"qotd-cavalry-operations-in-rings-of-power-versus-cavalry-operations-in-history","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/2023\/05\/23\/qotd-cavalry-operations-in-rings-of-power-versus-cavalry-operations-in-history\/","title":{"rendered":"QotD: Cavalry operations in Rings of Power<\/em> versus cavalry operations in history"},"content":{"rendered":"

\"\"<\/a>Now before I lay into this, fair is fair: Peter Jackson’s The Lord of the Rings<\/em> had a real habit of having the horses almost always move at the trot or the canter when they ought to have been walking (horses have four “gaits” \u2013 patterns of moving \u2013 which, in escalating speed are the walk, the trot, the canter and the gallop). Horses can walk or trot for long periods, but canters and gallops can only be maintained in short bursts before the horse wears itself out. So for instance when Th\u00e9oden leads the Rohirrim from Edoras in Return of the King<\/em> the horses are walking in the city but by the time they’re in column out of the city the whole column is moving at a canter (interestingly, you can hear<\/em> the three-beat pattern of the canter in the foley<\/a>, which is some attention to detail), which is not realistic \u2013 they have a long way to go and they won’t be able to maintain this gait the whole way \u2013 but fits the forward momentum of the scene. Likewise most of the horses look to be at a canter when his army leaves Dunharrow for Gondor; again this is a bit silly, but on roughly the level of silly of having Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli pursue a band of orcs by jogging for three days and nights without rest.<\/p>\n

By contrast [in Rings of Power<\/em>], the N\u00famen\u00f3reans rush to the battle at a full gallop<\/em>, apparently the whole way or at the very least for hours through the morning. Horses will be vary, but generally two to three miles is the maximum distance most horses can gallop before fatigue sets in (for most horses this distance is going to be shorter), which they’re going to cover in about six minutes<\/em>. The gallop is a very fast (25-30mph), very short sprint, yet Galadriel has this whole formation at full gallop even before she can see their destination<\/em>. And I just want to remember here the absurdity that these horsemen do not even know there is a battle to ride to<\/em>; for all they know this is a basic scouting effort (which might be better accomplished slowly and without wearing down all of the horses). Th\u00e9oden at least has the excuse that he’s on the clock and knows it!<\/p>\n

The way we are then shown the cavalry arriving is very confusing to me. The speed of their arrival makes at least some sense. We have already established that both Arondir and Adar are incompetent commanders so the fact that they have set no scouts or lookouts checks out. Pre-modern and early-modern cavalry could<\/em> effectively out-ride news of their coming, and so show up unexpectedly in places with very little warning. Not this<\/em> little warning, mind you \u2013 the time from the first sound of hoof-falls (heard by Elves<\/em> \u2013 the orcs evidently hear nothing) to the cavalry deluging the village is just about fifteen seconds; horses move fast but they do not move that<\/em> fast (at full gallop a horse might cover 150-200 meters in those fifteen seconds and the orcs would absolutely<\/em> hear them coming before they saw them). But the idea in general that the N\u00famen\u00f3rean cavalry could appear as if out of nowhere to the orcs checks out \u2013 that was one of the major advantages of cavalry operations<\/a>.<\/p>\n

Bret Devereaux, “Collections: The Nitpicks of Power, Part III: That N\u00famen\u00f3rean Charge”, A Collection of Unmitigated Pedantry<\/em><\/a>, 2023-02-03.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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