{"id":79332,"date":"2023-01-18T01:00:42","date_gmt":"2023-01-18T06:00:42","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/?p=79332"},"modified":"2023-01-17T09:01:12","modified_gmt":"2023-01-17T14:01:12","slug":"qotd-tanks-for-ukraine","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/2023\/01\/18\/qotd-tanks-for-ukraine\/","title":{"rendered":"QotD: Tanks for Ukraine?"},"content":{"rendered":"<blockquote><p><a href=\"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/QotD-thumbnail-400x400.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"float:right; padding: 0px 0px 10px 25px\" src=\"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/QotD-thumbnail-400x400.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"400\" height=\"400\" class=\"alignright size-full wp-image-48672\" srcset=\"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/QotD-thumbnail-400x400.png 400w, https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/QotD-thumbnail-400x400-150x150.png 150w, https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/QotD-thumbnail-400x400-50x50.png 50w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 400px) 100vw, 400px\" \/><\/a>Lately we&#8217;ve been tap dancing up to even heavier gear [for Ukraine]. The US has announced we&#8217;ll be sending some M2 Bradley IFVs, and France chipped in some AMX-10 RC heavy armored cars. While referred to as a <em>char<\/em>, or tank, in French service and apparently some obscure EU regulation classifies anything above a certain weight and with a big enough gun as a tank &#8230; and the AMX-10 clears those hurdles &#8230; war nerds will insist that unless it comes from the tank region of France it&#8217;s just a sparkling armored fighting vehicle.<\/p>\n<p>It looks like the inhibition on sending tanks is finally cracking, though. While Germany is <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2023\/01\/12\/world\/europe\/ukraine-western-tanks.html\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">still dithering<\/a> over letting Poland send some of its Leopard 2&#8217;s, Britain has announced it&#8217;s <a href=\"https:\/\/www.bbc.com\/news\/uk-64274755\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">sending 14 Challenger 2<\/a> main battle tanks.<\/p>\n<p>I found that particular number interesting. Late Cold War and post-Cold War Russian armored units use three-tank platoons and three platoons plus a commander&#8217;s tank make a ten tank company.<\/p>\n<p>The British Army, from whose stores the Challengers will be pulled, uses some archaic TO&#038;E, possibly left over from the Wars of the Roses or Cromwell&#8217;s New Model Army, wherein four tanks equal a Bonnet*, and four Bonnets plus two more tanks in a headquarters Bonnet equal an eighteen-tank Spanner\u2020.<\/p>\n<p>Fourteen tanks, however, is enough for three four-tank platoons plus two tanks for an HQ platoon, equalling a fourteen tank US-style armored company. Apparently the Ukies are using a US\/(most of)NATO TO&#038;E for their armored units. So the Ukrainians will have at least one company of Western MBTs.<\/p>\n<ul>\n<p><em>* Bonnet = Troop<br \/>\n\u2020 Spanner = Squadron<\/em><\/p>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Tamara Keel, <a href=\"https:\/\/booksbikesboomsticks.blogspot.com\/2023\/01\/clank-clank-goes-tank.html\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">&#8220;Clank Clank Goes the Tank&#8221;, <em>View From The Porch<\/em><\/a>, 2023-01-15.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Lately we&#8217;ve been tap dancing up to even heavier gear [for Ukraine]. The US has announced we&#8217;ll be sending some M2 Bradley IFVs, and France chipped in some AMX-10 RC heavy armored cars. While referred to as a char, or tank, in French service and apparently some obscure EU regulation classifies anything above a certain [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":35193,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[4,62,1117,57,5,41],"tags":[991,726],"class_list":["post-79332","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-britain","category-europe","category-france","category-humour","category-military","category-quotations","tag-afvs","tag-ukraine"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/favicon.png","jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p2hpV6-kDy","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/79332","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=79332"}],"version-history":[{"count":3,"href":"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/79332\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":79349,"href":"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/79332\/revisions\/79349"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/35193"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=79332"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=79332"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=79332"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}