{"id":73950,"date":"2023-10-18T01:00:57","date_gmt":"2023-10-18T05:00:57","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/?p=73950"},"modified":"2023-10-17T10:04:09","modified_gmt":"2023-10-17T14:04:09","slug":"qotd-the-role-of-violence-in-historical-societies","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/2023\/10\/18\/qotd-the-role-of-violence-in-historical-societies\/","title":{"rendered":"QotD: The role of violence in historical societies"},"content":{"rendered":"

\"\"<\/a>Reading almost any social history of actual historical societies reveal complex webs of authority, some of which rely on violence and most of which don’t<\/strong>. Trying to reduce all forms of authority in a society to violence or the threat of violence is a “boy’s sociology”, unfit for serious adults.<\/p>\n

This is true even in historical societies that glorified war<\/a>! Taking, for instance, medieval mounted warrior-aristocrats (read: knights), we find a far more complex set of values and social bonds. Military excellence was a key value among the medieval knightly aristocracy, but so was Christian religious belief and observance, so were expectations about courtly conduct, and so were bonds between family and oath<\/a>-bound aristocrats. In short there were many<\/em> forms of authority beyond violence even among military aristocrats. Consequently individuals could be \u2013 and often were! \u2013 lionized for exceptional success in these other domains, often even when their military performance was at best lackluster.<\/p>\n

Roman political speech, meanwhile, is full of words to express authority without violence. Most obviously is the word auctoritas<\/em>, from which we get authority. J.E. Lendon (in Empire of Honor: The Art of Government in the Roman World<\/em> (1997)), expresses the complex interaction whereby the past performance of virtus<\/em> (“strength, worth, bravery, excellence, skill, capacity”, which might be military, but it might also be virtus<\/em> demonstrated in civilian fields like speaking, writing, court-room excellence, etc) produced honor<\/em> which in turn invested an individual with dignitas<\/em> (“worth, merit”), a legitimate claim to certain forms of deferential behavior from others (including peers; two individuals both with dignitas<\/em> might owe mutual deference to each other). Such an individual, when acting or especially speaking was said to have gravitas<\/em> (“weight”), an effort by the Romans to describe the feeling of emotional pressure that the dignitas<\/em> of such a person demanded; a person speaking who had dignitas<\/em> must be listened to seriously and respected, even if disagreed with in the end. An individual with tremendous honor might be described as having a super-charged dignitas<\/em> such that not merely was some polite but serious deference, but active compliance, such was the force of their considerable honor<\/em>; this was called auctoritas<\/em>. As documented by Carlin Barton (in Roman Honor: Fire in the Bones<\/em> (2001)), the Romans felt these weights keenly and have a robust language describing the emotional impact such feelings had.<\/p>\n

Note that there is no necessary<\/em> violence here. These things cannot be enforced through violence, they are emotional responses that the Romans report having (because their culture has conditioned them to have them) in the presence of individuals with dignitas<\/em>. And such dignitas<\/em> might also not be connected to violence. Cicero clearly at points in his career commanded such deference and he was at best an indifferent soldier. Instead, it was his excellence in speaking and his clear service to the Republic that commanded such respect. Other individuals might command particular auctoritas<\/em> because of their role as priests, their reputation for piety or wisdom, or their history of service to the community. And of course beyond that were bonds of family, religion, social group, and so on.<\/p>\n

And these are, to be clear, two societies run<\/em> by military aristocrats as described by those same military aristocrats. If anyone<\/em> was likely to represent these societies as being entirely about the commission of violence, it would be these fellows. And they simply don’t.<\/p>\n

Bret Devereaux, “Collections: The Universal Warrior, Part III: The Cult of the Badass”, A Collection of Unmitigated Pedantry<\/em><\/a>, 2021-02-05.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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