{"id":73938,"date":"2024-08-11T01:00:15","date_gmt":"2024-08-11T05:00:15","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/?p=73938"},"modified":"2024-08-10T10:16:20","modified_gmt":"2024-08-10T14:16:20","slug":"qotd-greek-and-roman-notions-of-courage","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/2024\/08\/11\/qotd-greek-and-roman-notions-of-courage\/","title":{"rendered":"QotD: Greek and Roman notions of courage"},"content":{"rendered":"<blockquote><p><a href=\"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/QotD-thumbnail-400x400.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"float:right; padding: 0px 0px 10px 25px\" src=\"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/QotD-thumbnail-400x400.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"400\" height=\"400\" class=\"alignright size-full wp-image-48672\" srcset=\"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/QotD-thumbnail-400x400.png 400w, https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/QotD-thumbnail-400x400-150x150.png 150w, https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/QotD-thumbnail-400x400-50x50.png 50w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 400px) 100vw, 400px\" \/><\/a>That understanding of courage [of First Nations tribes of the Great Plains] was itself almost utterly alien to, for instance, the classical Greeks. While Greek notions of military excellence had their roots in Homer (on this, see J.E. Lendon, <em>Soldiers and Ghosts: A History of Battle in Classical Antiquity<\/em> (2005)) and an ethic of individual combat where honor was gained by killing notable enemies, by the fifth century this had been replaced by an ethic almost entirely focused on holding position in a formation. As Tyrtaeus, a Spartan poet, writes (trans. M.L. West):<\/p>\n<ul>\n<p><em>I would not rate a man worth mention or account<br \/>\neither for speed of foot or wrestling skill,<br \/>\nnot even if he had a Cyclops&#8217; size and strength<br \/>\nor could outrun the fierce north wind of Thrace;<br \/>\nI would not care if he surpassed Tithonus&#8217; looks,<br \/>\nor Cinyras&#8217; or Midas&#8217; famous wealth,<br \/>\nor were more royal than Pelops son of Tantalus,<br \/>\nor had Adrastus&#8217; smooth persuasive tongue,<br \/>\nor fame for everything save only valour: no,<br \/>\nno man&#8217;s of high regard in time of war<br \/>\nunless he can endure the sight of blood and death,<br \/>\nand stand close to the enemy and fight.<br \/>\nThis is the highest worth, the finest human prize<br \/>\nand fairest for a bold young man to win.<br \/>\nIt benefits the whole community and state,<br \/>\nwhen with a firm stance in the foremost rank<br \/>\na man bides steadfast, with no thought of shameful flight,<br \/>\nlaying his life and stout heart on the line,<br \/>\nand standing by the next man speaks encouragement<br \/>\nThis is the man of worth in time of war.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/ul>\n<p>This is not a daring courage, but a stoic (in the general sense) courage \u2013 the courage of standing a place in the line. And note for Tyrtaeus, that courage is more important than skill, or strength or speed; it matters not how well he fights, only that he &#8220;bides steadfast&#8221; &#8220;with a firm stance&#8221;. There is no place for individual exploits here. Indeed, when Aristodemus (another Spartan), eager to regain his honor lost by having survived the Battle of Thermopylae, recklessly charged out of the phalanx to meet the Persian advance at the Battle of Plataea, Herodotus pointedly notes that he was <em>not<\/em> given the award for bravery by the Spartans who instead recognized those who had held their place in line (Hdt. 9.71; Herodotus does not entirely concur with the Spartan judgement).<\/p>\n<p>This was a form of courage that was evolving alongside the <em>hoplite<\/em> phalanx, where either shameful retreat or a reckless charge exposed one&#8217;s comrades to danger by <a href=\"https:\/\/acoup.blog\/2020\/03\/17\/new-acquisitions-hoplite-style-disease-control-march-17-2020\/\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">removing a shield from the line<\/a>. While, as Lendon is quick to note, there was still a very important aspect of personal competition (seeking to show that you, personally, had <em>more<\/em> bravery to hold your position than others), this is a fundamentally collective, not individual style of combat and it has values and virtues to match. Indeed, the Greeks frequently disparaged the fighting style of &#8220;barbarians&#8221; who would advance bravely but retreat quickly as cowardly.<\/p>\n<p><strong>And so the man who holds his place in the group and does not advance recklessly is the bravest of Greeks, but among the Crow Native Americans would seem a coward, while the bravest Crow who cleverly and daringly attacked, raided and got away before the enemy could respond would in turn be regarded by the Greeks as a reckless coward, unworthy of honor. These notions of courage aren&#8217;t merely different, <em>they are diametrically opposed<\/em> demanding entirely different actions in analogous circumstances!<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>The translator will call both of these ideas &#8220;courage&#8221;, but clearly when one gets down to it, they demand very different things. And these are just two examples. As Lendon notes (<em>op. cit<\/em>.), the <em>virtus<\/em> of the Roman was not the same as the <em>andreia<\/em> of the Greek, though both words might well be translated as &#8220;courage&#8221; or &#8220;valor&#8221; (and both words, etymologically mean &#8220;manliness&#8221;, lest we forget that these are very gender-stratified societies). Roman <em>virtus<\/em> was often expressed in taking individual initiative, but always restrained by Roman <em>disciplina<\/em> (discipline), making that system of military values still different from either the Crow or the Greek system.<\/p>\n<p>Bret Devereaux, <a href=\"https:\/\/acoup.blog\/2021\/02\/05\/collections-the-universal-warrior-part-iia-the-many-faces-of-battle\/\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">&#8220;Collections: The Universal Warrior, Part IIa: The Many Faces of Battle&#8221;, <em>A Collection of Unmitigated Pedantry<\/em><\/a>, 2021-02-05.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>That understanding of courage [of First Nations tribes of the Great Plains] was itself almost utterly alien to, for instance, the classical Greeks. While Greek notions of military excellence had their roots in Homer (on this, see J.E. 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