{"id":73010,"date":"2022-04-14T03:00:22","date_gmt":"2022-04-14T07:00:22","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/?p=73010"},"modified":"2022-04-13T17:39:27","modified_gmt":"2022-04-13T21:39:27","slug":"chris-bray-contra-jonathan-haidts-belief-in-a-former-more-unified-body-politic","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/2022\/04\/14\/chris-bray-contra-jonathan-haidts-belief-in-a-former-more-unified-body-politic\/","title":{"rendered":"Chris Bray contra Jonathan Haidt&#8217;s belief in a former, more unified body politic"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Jonathan Haidt wrote at some length about what <a href=\"https:\/\/chrisbray.substack.com\/p\/where-are-these-angels?token=eyJ1c2VyX2lkIjo0MjczOTE5LCJwb3N0X2lkIjo1MjEwNjgwNCwiXyI6Ijk5MVM0IiwiaWF0IjoxNjQ5ODgzNzkxLCJleHAiOjE2NDk4ODczOTEsImlzcyI6InB1Yi00ODQxOTUiLCJzdWIiOiJwb3N0LXJlYWN0aW9uIn0.JNTQpQF7Re8WNzoj-BcS7B_qC2vhcRFCyq_aXmdxZsw&#038;s=r\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Chris Bray<\/a> contends was an imaginary period of American history when people were less divided:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>First, I think that this maneuver is the political strategy of a mediocre elite, with varying degrees of consciousness. The limit to which this may be true has to do with the spectacular loss of historical knowledge, which leaves a big part of the population feeling pretty sure that they&#8217;re the first people in the history of the universe who have ever encountered meanness. But the constant recourse to the language of &#8220;bullying&#8221; in the face of ordinary disagreement is a tell:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/Screenshot-2022-04-13-at-17-29-47-Where-Are-These-Angels.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/Screenshot-2022-04-13-at-17-29-47-Where-Are-These-Angels.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"728\" height=\"447\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-73011\" srcset=\"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/Screenshot-2022-04-13-at-17-29-47-Where-Are-These-Angels.png 728w, https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/Screenshot-2022-04-13-at-17-29-47-Where-Are-These-Angels-480x295.png 480w, https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/Screenshot-2022-04-13-at-17-29-47-Where-Are-These-Angels-150x92.png 150w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 728px) 100vw, 728px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>If you disagree with someone and only get the response that you&#8217;re vicious and a bully, you&#8217;re talking to an asshole; currently, it&#8217;s close to being the whole argument of the American governing class. The point of this kind of rhetoric is to win an argument by not allowing the other side to have it, and this seems like not really a mystery. See Jonathan Haidt&#8217;s reference to the high levels of trust in countries run by a &#8220;stable, competent autocracy&#8221;. Political elites all over the free world keep panting and sighing about how much they admire China&#8217;s dictatorship, and get a <em>room<\/em>, man.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/eqnmfNiaM-Y\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/Screenshot-2022-04-14-at-17-32-05-Where-Are-These-Angels.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"728\" height=\"409\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-73012\" srcset=\"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/Screenshot-2022-04-14-at-17-32-05-Where-Are-These-Angels.png 728w, https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/Screenshot-2022-04-14-at-17-32-05-Where-Are-These-Angels-480x270.png 480w, https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/Screenshot-2022-04-14-at-17-32-05-Where-Are-These-Angels-150x84.png 150w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 728px) 100vw, 728px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>A related diversionary strategy is the constant recourse to the argument that people who disagree are victims of <em>disinformation<\/em>, the pivot in which &#8220;I disagree with this policy&#8221; is met with horror that the peasants have been tricked by the Internet. For example, did you know that some people have fallen for the lie, spread by Russian bots, that the Covid-19 vaccines aren&#8217;t as safe and effective as Pfizer and Dr. Fauci <a href=\"https:\/\/rumble.com\/embed\/vl2old\/?pub=4\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">said<\/a>? It&#8217;s hard to believe how far we&#8217;ve fallen.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/aginnt\/status\/1475193955704881152\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/Screenshot-2022-04-14-at-17-35-20-Where-Are-These-Angels.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"562\" height=\"575\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-73014\" srcset=\"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/Screenshot-2022-04-14-at-17-35-20-Where-Are-These-Angels.png 562w, https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/Screenshot-2022-04-14-at-17-35-20-Where-Are-These-Angels-480x491.png 480w, https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/Screenshot-2022-04-14-at-17-35-20-Where-Are-These-Angels-147x150.png 147w, https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/Screenshot-2022-04-14-at-17-35-20-Where-Are-These-Angels-50x50.png 50w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 562px) 100vw, 562px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>But the biggest problem in <a href=\"https:\/\/www.theatlantic.com\/magazine\/archive\/2022\/05\/social-media-democracy-trust-babel\/629369\/\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Haidt&#8217;s essay<\/a> is a <em>giant<\/em> omission: While Haidt writes at length about what the psychology of social media has done to <em>the public<\/em> \u2014 how it&#8217;s eroded our trust, how it&#8217;s fomented tribalism and point-scoring behavior, how it&#8217;s trapped us in the pattern of confirmation bias, &#8220;making it far easier for people to find evidence for absurd beliefs and conspiracy theories,&#8221; and so on \u2014 he never mentions the possibility that the psychology of social media has had the same effect <em>on our institutions and the people who run them<\/em>.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Jonathan Haidt wrote at some length about what Chris Bray contends was an imaginary period of American history when people were less divided: First, I think that this maneuver is the political strategy of a mediocre elite, with varying degrees of consciousness. 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