{"id":69583,"date":"2023-02-21T01:00:17","date_gmt":"2023-02-21T06:00:17","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/?p=69583"},"modified":"2023-02-20T09:59:37","modified_gmt":"2023-02-20T14:59:37","slug":"qotd-the-gods-as-literal-machines","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/2023\/02\/21\/qotd-the-gods-as-literal-machines\/","title":{"rendered":"QotD: The Gods as (literal) machines"},"content":{"rendered":"

\"\"<\/a>So we have the basic rules in place: in order to achieve a concrete, earthly<\/em><\/strong> result, we need to offer something to the appropriate god and in exchange, they’ll use their divine power to see that things turn out our way.<\/p>\n

But what do we offer? What do we ask for? How do we ask? This isn’t write-your-own-religion, after all: you can’t just offer whatever you feel like (or more correctly, you can<\/em>, and the god’s silent disapproval will be the response). After all, if your plan is to get me to do something, and you show up at my door with awful, nasty Cherry Pepsi, you are bound to be disappointed; if you show up with some delicious Dr. Pepper, you may have better luck. That’s how people work<\/em> \u2013 why would the gods be any different?<\/p>\n

So different gods prefer different things, delivered in different ways, with different words, at different times. There are so many possible details and permutations \u2013 but this is important<\/em><\/strong>, it matters and you must get it right! So how can you be sure that you are offering the right thing, at the right time, in the right way, to the right god, for the right result?<\/p>\n

And that’s where our knowledge<\/a> from last week comes in. You aren’t left trying to figure this out on your own from scratch, because you can draw on the long history and memory of your community and thus perform a ritual which worked in the past<\/em>, for the same sort of thing.<\/p>\n

The thing to understand about that kind of knowledge is that it’s a form of black box tech<\/a>; the practitioner doesn’t know why<\/em> it works, only that<\/em> it works<\/strong> because \u2013 as we discussed \u2013 the ritual wasn’t derived from some abstract first-principles understanding of the gods, but by trial and error. Thinking about the ritual as a form of functional, but not understood, technology can help us understand the ancient attitude towards ritual.<\/p>\n

Let’s say we discovered a functioning alien spaceship with faster-than-light propulsion, but no aliens and no manual. We don’t understand anything<\/em> about how it works. What would we do? We might try to copy the ship, but remember: we don’t know what parts are functional and what parts are just cosmetic or what does what. So we’d have to copy the ship exactly<\/em>, bolt for bolt, to be sure that it would work when we turned it on.<\/p>\n

Ritual in ancient polytheistic religions is typically treated the same way: given an unknowable, but functional system, exactitude is prized over understanding<\/strong>. After all, understanding why<\/em> the ritual works does not help it work any better \u2013 only performing it correctly. An error in performance might offend the god, or create confusion about what effect is desired, or for whom. But an error in understanding causes no problems, so long as the ritual was performed exactly anyway. Just as it doesn’t matter what you think<\/em> is happening when you, say, turn on your TV \u2013 it turns on anyway \u2013 it doesn’t matter what you think<\/em> is happening in the ritual. It happens anyway.<\/p>\n

Bret Devereaux, “Collections: Practical Polytheism, Part II: Practice”, A Collection of Unmitigated Pedantry<\/em><\/a>, 2019-11-01.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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