{"id":69485,"date":"2022-08-19T01:00:25","date_gmt":"2022-08-19T05:00:25","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/?p=69485"},"modified":"2025-08-19T19:46:43","modified_gmt":"2025-08-19T23:46:43","slug":"qotd-how-pre-modern-polytheistic-religions-originated","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/2022\/08\/19\/qotd-how-pre-modern-polytheistic-religions-originated\/","title":{"rendered":"QotD: How pre-modern polytheistic religions originated"},"content":{"rendered":"

\"\"<\/a>… normally when you ask what the ancients knew of the gods and how they knew it, the immediate thought \u2013 quite intuitively \u2013 is to go read Greek and Roman philosophers discussing on the nature of man, the gods, the soul and so on. This is a mistake<\/strong>. Many of our<\/em> religions work that way: they begin with a doctrine, a theory of how the divine works, and then construct ritual and practice with that doctrine as a foundation.<\/p>\n

This is exactly backwards<\/strong> for how the ancients, practicing their practical knowledge, learn about the gods. The myths, philosophical discussions and well-written treatises are not the foundation<\/em> of the religion’s understanding of the gods, but rather the foaming crest at the top of the wave. In practice, the ruminations of those philosophers often had little to do the religion of the populace at large; famously Socrates’ own philosophical take on the gods rather upset quite a lot of Athenians.<\/p>\n

Instead of beginning with a theory of the divine and working forwards from that, the ancients begin with proven methods<\/em> and work backwards<\/em> from that. For most people, there’s no need to know why<\/em><\/strong> things work, only that<\/em><\/strong> they work. Essentially, this knowledge is generated by trial and error.<\/p>\n

Let’s give an example of how that kind of knowledge forms. Let’s say we are a farming community. It is very important that our crops grow, but the methods and variations in how well they grow are deep and mysterious and we do not fully understand them; clearly that growth is governed by some unseen forces we might seek the aid of. So we put together a ritual \u2013 perhaps an offering of a bit of last year’s harvest \u2013 to try to get that favor. And then the harvest is great<\/em> \u2013 excellent, we have found a formula that works. So we do it next year, and the year after that.<\/p>\n

Sometimes the harvest is good (well performed ritual there) and sometimes it is bad (someone must have made an error), but our community survives. And that very survival becomes the proof of the effectiveness of our ritual. We know it works because we are still here<\/em>. And I mean survival over generations; our great-great-grandchildren, for whom we are nameless ancestors and to whom our ritual has always<\/em> been practiced in our village can take solace in the fact that so long as this ritual was performed, the community has never perished. They know<\/strong> it works because they themselves can see the evidence.<\/p>\n

(These sorts of justifications are offered in ancient works all the time<\/em>. Cicero is, in several places, explicit that Roman success must, at the first instance, be attributed to Roman religio<\/em> \u2013 religious scruples. The empire itself<\/em> serves as the proof of the successful, effective nature of the religion it practices!)<\/p>\n

Bret Devereaux, “Collections: Practical Polytheism, Part I: Knowledge”, A Collection of Unmitigated Pedantry<\/em><\/a>, 2019-10-25.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

… normally when you ask what the ancients knew of the gods and how they knew it, the immediate thought \u2013 quite intuitively \u2013 is to go read Greek and Roman philosophers discussing on the nature of man, the gods, the soul and so on. This is a mistake. Many of our religions work that […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":35193,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[1526,7,41,11],"tags":[1457,1315,576,855,1601,561,1346],"class_list":["post-69485","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-greece","category-history","category-quotations","category-religion","tag-bretdevereaux","tag-cicero","tag-philosophy","tag-polytheism","tag-romanhellenism","tag-rome","tag-socrates"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/favicon.png","jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p2hpV6-i4J","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/69485","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=69485"}],"version-history":[{"count":3,"href":"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/69485\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":75716,"href":"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/69485\/revisions\/75716"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/35193"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=69485"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=69485"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=69485"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}