{"id":67006,"date":"2021-07-10T04:00:56","date_gmt":"2021-07-10T08:00:56","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/?p=67006"},"modified":"2021-07-09T14:56:32","modified_gmt":"2021-07-09T18:56:32","slug":"history-makers-aristophanes","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/2021\/07\/10\/history-makers-aristophanes\/","title":{"rendered":"History-Makers: Aristophanes"},"content":{"rendered":"<p align=\"center\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" width=\"854\" height=\"480\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/lGBF3h3L728\" title=\"YouTube video player\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>Overly Sarcastic Productions<\/strong><br \/>\nPublished 9 Jul 2021<\/p>\n<p>He told the Athenians they were a disaster and they gave him a prize. Aristophanes wrote in the new Theatrical genre of Comedy during the golden age of Athens, and used his plays to viciously satirize Athenian society. They create a fabulously clear portrait of ancient Athenian life, and they have the corollary benefit of being funny as hell.<\/p>\n<p>SOURCES &#038; Further Reading: The 11 plays of Aristophanes, with particular focus on <em>Clouds<\/em> and <em>Women<\/em> at the Thesmophoria, Britannica&#8217;s &#8220;Aristophanes&#8221;, Crash Course Theater #2 &#038; 4.<\/p>\n<p>Partial Tracklist: &#8220;Sneaky Snitch&#8221;, &#8220;Marty Gots A Plan&#8221; Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)<br \/>\nLicensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 License<br \/>\n<a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/redirect?event=video_description&#038;redir_token=QUFFLUhqazJDR0JIdXJOczdSRThuR1JuMVZvZUQ3eGxkQXxBQ3Jtc0ttaVFfcTkzV3J6MXM2dmV6LTA3M0dZdk44WkZtX3RjblFPVGJHdHNTT1l6emdrRzdKNmVCV0ZjZEtVNFVjQ3lLODZYZ0YyTnVTbDdYYWt4dGVBZEhTXzZjcENNNnFYY3A0dWp4Nkh0SHBnOG1CZDNNZw&#038;q=http%3A%2F%2Fcreativecommons.org%2Flicenses%2Fby%2F4.0%2F\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">http:\/\/creativecommons.org\/licenses\/b&#8230;<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Our content is intended for teenage audiences and up.<\/p>\n<p>PATREON: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.Patreon.com\/OSP\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">https:\/\/www.Patreon.com\/OSP<\/a><\/p>\n<p>PODCAST: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/redirect?event=video_description&#038;redir_token=QUFFLUhqbW52dE1aemhFZjZTblNpUkZOY2V1UHBvMFZHd3xBQ3Jtc0tub1lyQnoxU290SVR0Uzc3RXczenBsb25mcjRBQmZEQXRUQ2hEYU9IY2hNQlNhb2ctdERLdjExUXNGUnVEU2pWR1NZMlJ6dzJaUEE5ejdsWHNrQnYzczlIZUhRal9UNVRrc0R4TlBwVlo5cmUybWJlbw&#038;q=https%3A%2F%2Foverlysarcasticpodcast.transistor.fm%2Fsubscribe\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">https:\/\/overlysarcasticpodcast.transi&#8230;<\/a><\/p>\n<p>DISCORD: <a href=\"https:\/\/discord.gg\/osp\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">https:\/\/discord.gg\/osp<\/a><\/p>\n<p>MERCH LINKS: <a href=\"http:\/\/rdbl.co\/osp\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">http:\/\/rdbl.co\/osp<\/a><\/p>\n<p>OUR WEBSITE: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.OverlySarcasticProductions.com\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">https:\/\/www.OverlySarcasticProductions.com<\/a><br \/>\nFind us on Twitter <a href=\"https:\/\/www.Twitter.com\/OSPYouTube\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">https:\/\/www.Twitter.com\/OSPYouTube<\/a><br \/>\nFind us on Reddit <a href=\"https:\/\/www.Reddit.com\/r\/OSP\/\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">https:\/\/www.Reddit.com\/r\/OSP\/<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>From the comments:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>Overly Sarcastic Productions<\/strong><br \/>\n2 hours ago<br \/>\nWhile we&#8217;re here, one subject I cut for time is the relationship between &#8220;The Clouds&#8221; and the trial of Socrates.<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s commonly assumed that Aristophanes&#8217; satire played a part in Athens&#8217; decision to charge and ultimately kill Socrates, but that interpretation doesn&#8217;t really hold up to scrutiny.<\/p>\n<p><em>The Clouds<\/em> was performed over 20 years before Socrates&#8217; trial. If the play had that strong an effect on Athens, we can assume Socrates would have been charged far sooner. And Plato&#8217;s own writings paint Aristophanes rather favorably \u2014 if Plato blamed Aristophanes for the trial, he does not make that obvious.<\/p>\n<p>There IS one snide line in Socrates&#8217; <em>Apology<\/em> that seems to a modern reader like it&#8217;s referring to <em>The Clouds<\/em>, but really we can&#8217;t be sure. Aristophanes was not the only comic playwright in Athens, and certainly not the only person who disliked Socrates. Did <em>The Clouds<\/em> contribute to a negative public perception of Socrates? Sure, in part, at least when it was performed in 423. But it&#8217;s faaar more likely that Socrates&#8217; trial and death in 399 owe more to his persistent habit of being a Colossal Pain In The Ass to whomever he was speaking with.<\/p>\n<p>Reading <em>The Apology<\/em> makes it clear that nobody had the power to make Athens hate Socrates more than Socrates.<br \/>\n-B <\/p><\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Overly Sarcastic Productions Published 9 Jul 2021 He told the Athenians they were a disaster and they gave him a prize. Aristophanes wrote in the new Theatrical genre of Comedy during the golden age of Athens, and used his plays to viciously satirize Athenian society. 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