{"id":65712,"date":"2021-05-14T03:00:46","date_gmt":"2021-05-14T07:00:46","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/?p=65712"},"modified":"2021-05-13T18:58:58","modified_gmt":"2021-05-13T22:58:58","slug":"recycling-when-it-makes-economic-sense-good-recycling-just-because-not-good-at-all","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/2021\/05\/14\/recycling-when-it-makes-economic-sense-good-recycling-just-because-not-good-at-all\/","title":{"rendered":"Recycling when it makes economic sense? Good. Recycling just because? Not good at all."},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.expunct.com\/environment\/these-people-are-mad-rare-earths-and-electronics-recycling\/\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Tim Worstall<\/a> explains why a new push to mandate recycling rare earth from consumer electronic devices will be a really, really bad idea &#8230; so bad that it&#8217;ll waste more resources than are recovered by the recycling effort:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/07\/Do-not-recycle-symbol.jpg\"><img style=\"float:right; padding: 0px 0px 10px 15px\"\u00a0src=\"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/07\/Do-not-recycle-symbol.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"100\" height=\"100\" class=\"alignright size-full wp-image-44199\" srcset=\"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/07\/Do-not-recycle-symbol.jpg 100w, https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/07\/Do-not-recycle-symbol-50x50.jpg 50w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 100px) 100vw, 100px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>[Indium is] the thing that makes touchscreens work. Lovely stuff. Normally extracted as a byproduct of getting zinc from spharelite. Usual concentrations in the original mineral are 45 to 500 parts per million.<\/p>\n<p>Now, note something important about a by product material like this. If we recycle indium we don&#8217;t in fact save any indium from spharelite. Because we mine spharelite for the zinc, the indium is just a bonus when we do. So, we recycle the indium we&#8217;re already using. We don&#8217;t process out the indium in our spharelite. We just take the same amount of zinc we always did and dump what we don&#8217;t want into the gangue, the waste.<\/p>\n<p>So, note what&#8217;s happened. We recycle indium and yet we dig up exactly the same amount of indium we always did. We just don&#8217;t use what we&#8217;ve dug up \u2013 we&#8217;re not in fact saving that vital resource of indium at all.<\/p>\n<p>[&#8230;]<\/p>\n<ul>\n<p><em>The number of waste fluorescent lamps arising has been declining since 2013. In 2025, it is estimated there will be 92 tonnes of CRMs in waste fluorescent lamps (Ce: 10 tonnes, Eu: 4 tonnes, La: 13 tonnes, Tb: 4 tonnes and Y: 61 tonnes).<\/em><\/p>\n<\/ul>\n<p>That would be the recovery from all fluorescent lamps in Europe being recycled. In a few \u2013 there\u2019s not that much material so therefore only a few plants are needed, meaning considerable geographic spread \u2013 plants dotted around.<\/p>\n<p>That&#8217;s $50k of cerium, about $100k of europium, $65k of lanthanum, $2.8 million of terbium and $2.2 million of yttrium. To all intents and purposes this is $5 million of material. For which we must have a Europe-wide collection system?<\/p>\n<p>They do realise this is insane which is why they insist that this must be made law. Can&#8217;t have people not doing stupid things now, can we?<\/p>\n<p>Just to give another example \u2013 not one they mention. As some will know I used to supply rare earths to the global lighting industry. One particular type uses scandium. In a quarter milligram quantity per bulb. Meaning that even with perfect recycling you need to collect 4 million bulbs to gain a kilo of scandium \u2013 worth $800.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Tim Worstall explains why a new push to mandate recycling rare earth from consumer electronic devices will be a really, really bad idea &#8230; so bad that it&#8217;ll waste more resources than are recovered by the recycling effort: [Indium is] the thing that makes touchscreens work. Lovely stuff. 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