{"id":50957,"date":"2024-01-09T01:00:36","date_gmt":"2024-01-09T06:00:36","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/?p=50957"},"modified":"2024-01-08T10:11:47","modified_gmt":"2024-01-08T15:11:47","slug":"qotd-women-versus-puas","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/2024\/01\/09\/qotd-women-versus-puas\/","title":{"rendered":"QotD: Women versus PUAs"},"content":{"rendered":"

\"\"<\/a>I don’t think the PUA<\/acronym> crowd has any solution to the problem of how men and women can stop treating each other like shit. Nor do they claim to; the PUA attitude is that you just have to play your cards as best you can under a set of constraints that is intrinsically tragic. But I think the spotlight glare they’re putting on actual mating behavior<\/em> — as opposed to the lies we tell ourselves about how we behave, or how we think we ought to behave — is a valuable first step.<\/p>\n

The truth hurts, but it also helps. Understanding that you’re being yanked around in unhelpful ways by your instincts is the necessary first step to gaining more control of your choices. This is why I think the people who should be paying most attention to PUA theory are women<\/em> — and not for the most obvious defensive reasons, either.<\/p>\n

If you are female, you may be thinking “OK, I should learn game so jerks won’t be able to play me”. Well, that’s nice, but almost completely irrelevant. Because what both evolutionary psych and PUA tell us is that in cold fact you want<\/em> to be played by an alpha \u2013 and failing that, at least someone a bit taller, a bit older, a bit smarter, and a bit higher-status than you. The fact that you want to be better at detecting imitation alphas changes nothing essential; women have been polishing that<\/em> counter-game as long as men have been practicing theirs.<\/p>\n

No. The reason women need be paying attention to PUA goes much deeper than just notching up another escalation in the jerk-vs.-bitch arms race. It’s because until women stop lying to themselves about their actual behavior, they won’t have any prayer of becoming self-aware enough to change the sexual reward pattern they present to men. In pervasive female self-honesty begins the only hope of not training up more generations of jerks. And it’s there<\/em> that the pitiless, revealing glare of the PUA spotlight might help.<\/p>\n

Yes, I know what kind of reflexive screaming that last paragraph is going to trigger. Feminists will lash at me for suggesting that this is womens’ problem to solve; shouldn’t at least half the burden of self-awareness and change fall on men?<\/p>\n

In fact, it can’t be that way, and it can’t be for a brutally simple reason. If you are reading this, you are almost certainly a member of a culture in which women have far more power to control mens’ sexual experience than the reverse. The only exceptions to this rule have been barbaric hellholes in which women were treated as chattel.<\/p>\n

Ladies, with having more power over sexual outcomes there comes more responsibility. And there’s this, too; just suppose the great mass of men stopped thinking with their dicks and 99% of them suddenly became sensitive New Age guys eager to commit. Until most women stopped being cruel to betas and rewarding men who behave like dominating jerks with sex, nothing … nothing<\/em> would change. PUA game would still work. The tragedy to which it is a minimax response would still be in motion.<\/p>\n

I don’t have any final answers either. But, gentle reader … if you’re a beta male and not a natural, learning some PUA game might sound icky but it would sure beat masturbating to porn for the rest of your life. And if you’re female, think hard about the last guy you slept with and the last guy you friend-zoned. Maybe you owe yourself a rethink and friend-zone guy an apology, of the kind best delivered naked.<\/p>\n

Eric S. Raymond, “A natural contemplates game”, Armed and Dangerous<\/em><\/a>, 2011-03-03.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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