{"id":49240,"date":"2023-08-14T01:00:23","date_gmt":"2023-08-14T05:00:23","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/?p=49240"},"modified":"2023-08-13T09:53:18","modified_gmt":"2023-08-13T13:53:18","slug":"qotd-the-us-army-in-the-korean-war","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/2023\/08\/14\/qotd-the-us-army-in-the-korean-war\/","title":{"rendered":"QotD: The US Army in the Korean War"},"content":{"rendered":"

\"\"<\/a>Korea was the kind of war that since the dawn of history was fought by professionals, by legions. It was fought by men who soon knew they had small support or sympathy at home, who could read in the papers statements by prominent men that they should be withdrawn. It was fought by men whom the Army \u2014 at its own peril \u2014 had given neither training nor indoctrination, nor the hardness and bitter pride men must have to fight a war in which they do not in their hearts believe.<\/p>\n

The Army needed legions, but society didn’t want them. It wanted citizen-soldiers.<\/p>\n

But the sociologists are right \u2014 absolutely right \u2014 in demanding that the centurion view of life not be imposed upon America. In a holy, patriotic war \u2014 like that fought by the French in 1793, or as a general war against Communism will be \u2014 America can get a lot more mileage out of citizen-soldiers than it can from legions.<\/p>\n

No one has suggested that perhaps there should be two sets of rules, one for the professional Army, which may have to fight in far places, without the declaration of war, and without intrinsic belief in the value of its dying, for reasons of policy, chessmen on the checkerboard of diplomacy; and one for the high-minded, enthusiastic, and idealistic young men who come aboard only when the ship is sinking.<\/p>\n

The other answer is to give up Korea-type wars, and to surrender great-power status, and a resultant hope of order \u2014 our own decent order \u2014 in the world. But America is rich and fat and very, very noticeable in this world.<\/p>\n

It is a forlorn hope that we should be left alone.<\/p>\n

In the first six months America suffered a near debacle because her Regular Army fighting men were the stuff of legions, but they had not been made into legionaries.<\/p>\n

America was not more soft or more decadent than it had been twenty years earlier. It was confused, badly, on its attitudes toward war. It was still bringing up its youth to think there were no tigers, and it was still reluctant to forge them guns to shoot tigers.<\/p>\n

Many of America’s youth, in the Army, faced horror badly because they had never been told they would have to face horror, or that horror is very normal in our unsane world. It had not been ground into them that they would have to obey their officers, even if the orders got them killed.<\/p>\n

It has been a long, long time since American citizens have been able to take down the musket from the mantelpiece and go tiger hunting. But they still cling to the belief that they can do so, and do it well, without training.<\/p>\n

This is the error that leads some men to cry out that Americans are decadent.<\/p>\n

If Americans in 1950 were decadent, so were the rabble who streamed miserably into Valley Forge, where von Steuben made soldiers out of them. If American society had no will to defend itself, neither did it in 1861, at First Manassas, or later at Shiloh, when whole regiments of Americans turned tail and ran.<\/p>\n

The men who lay warm and happy in their blankets at Kasserine, as the panzers rolled toward them in the dawn, were decadent, by this reasoning.<\/p>\n

The problem is not that Americans are soft but that they simply will not face what war is all about until they have had their teeth kicked in. They will not face the fact that the military professionals, while some have ideas about society in general that are distorted and must be watched, still know better than anyone else how a war is won.<\/p>\n

Free society cannot be oriented toward the battlefield \u2014 Sparta knew that trap \u2014 but some adjustments must be made, as the squabbling Athenians learned to their sorrow.<\/p>\n

The sociologists and psychologists of Vienna had no answer to the Nazi bayonets, when they crashed against their doors. The soldiers of the democratic world did.<\/p>\n

More than once, as at Valley Forge, after Bull Run, and Kasserine, the world has seen an American army rise from its own ashes, reorient itself, grow hard and bitter, knowledgeable and disciplined and tough.<\/p>\n

In 1951, after six months of being battered, the Eighth Army in Korea rose from its own ashes of despair. No man who was there still believes Americans in the main are decadent, just as no man who saw Lieutenant General Matt Ridgway in operation doubts the sometime greatness of men.<\/p>\n

T.R. Fehrenbach, This Kind of War: A Study in Unpreparedness<\/em><\/a>, 1963.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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