{"id":30060,"date":"2016-08-29T01:00:40","date_gmt":"2016-08-29T05:00:40","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/?p=30060"},"modified":"2020-12-30T14:10:39","modified_gmt":"2020-12-30T19:10:39","slug":"qotd-conflating-the-hobbesian-and-rousseauvian-views-of-mankind","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/2016\/08\/29\/qotd-conflating-the-hobbesian-and-rousseauvian-views-of-mankind\/","title":{"rendered":"QotD: Conflating the Hobbesian and Rousseauvian views of mankind"},"content":{"rendered":"

[…] there is a second, possibly more important source of the man-as-killer myth in the philosophy of the Enlightenment \u2014 Thomas Hobbes\u2019s depiction of the state of nature as a \u201cwarre of all against all\u201d, and the reactionary naturism of Rousseau and the post-Enlightenment Romantics. Today these originally opposing worldviews have become fused into a view of nature and humanity that combines the worst (and least factual) of both.<\/p>\n

Hobbes, writing a rationalization of the system of absolute monarchy under the Stuart kings of England, constructed an argument that in a state of nature without government the conflicting desires of human beings would pit every man against his neighbor in a bloodbath without end. Hobbes referred to and assumed \u201cwild violence\u201d as the normal state of humans in what anthropologists now call \u201cpre-state\u201d societies; that very term, in fact, reflects the Hobbesian myth,<\/p>\n

The obvious flaw in Hobbes\u2019s argument is that he mistook a sufficient condition for suppressing the \u201cwarre\u201d (the existence of a strong central state) for a necessary one. He underestimated the innate sociability of human beings. The anthropological and historical record affords numerous examples of \u201cpre-state\u201d societies (even quite large multiethnic\/multilingual populations) which, while violent against outsiders, successfully maintained internal peace.<\/p>\n

If Hobbes underestimated the sociability of man, Rousseau and his followers overestimated it; or, at least, they overestimated the sociability<\/em> of primitive man. By contrasting the nobility and tranquility they claimed to see in rural nature and the Noble Savage with the all-too-evident filth, poverty and crowding in the booming cities of the Industrial Revolution, they secularized the Fall of Man. As their spiritual descendants today still do, they overlooked the fact that the urban poor had unanimously voted with their feet to escape an even nastier rural poverty.<\/p>\n

The Rousseauian myth of technological Man as an ugly scab on the face of pristine Nature has become so pervasive in Western culture as to largely drive out the older opposing image of \u201cNature, red in tooth and claw\u201d from the popular mind. Perhaps this was inevitable as humans achieved more and more control over their environment; protection from famine, plague, foul weather, predators, and other inconveniences of nature encouraged the fond delusion that only human nastiness makes the world a hard place.<\/p>\n

[…]<\/p>\n

In reality, Nature is a violent arena of intra- and inter-species competition in which murder for gain is an everyday event and ecological fluctuations commonly lead to mass death. Human societies, outside of wartime, are almost miraculously stable and nonviolent by contrast. But the unconscious prejudice of even educated Westerners today is likely to be that the opposite is true. The Hobbesian view of the \u201cwarre of all against all\u201d has survived only as a description of human<\/em> behavior, not of the wider state of nature. Pop ecology has replaced pop theology; the new myth is of man the killer ape.<\/p>\n

Eric S. Raymond, “The Myth of Man the Killer”, Armed and Dangerous<\/em><\/a>, 2003-07-15.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

[…] there is a second, possibly more important source of the man-as-killer myth in the philosophy of the Enlightenment \u2014 Thomas Hobbes\u2019s depiction of the state of nature as a \u201cwarre of all against all\u201d, and the reactionary naturism of Rousseau and the post-Enlightenment Romantics. Today these originally opposing worldviews have become fused into a […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":35193,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[84,7,41,16],"tags":[209,1235,576,139,1182,1405],"class_list":["post-30060","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-government","category-history","category-quotations","category-science","tag-anthropology","tag-esr","tag-philosophy","tag-psychology","tag-rousseau","tag-thomashobbes"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/favicon.png","jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p2hpV6-7OQ","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/30060","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=30060"}],"version-history":[{"count":3,"href":"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/30060\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":62379,"href":"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/30060\/revisions\/62379"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/35193"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=30060"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=30060"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=30060"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}