{"id":28519,"date":"2014-12-25T00:01:54","date_gmt":"2014-12-25T05:01:54","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/?p=28519"},"modified":"2015-02-22T11:12:54","modified_gmt":"2015-02-22T16:12:54","slug":"qotd-reactionary-views-on-american-progressives","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/2014\/12\/25\/qotd-reactionary-views-on-american-progressives\/","title":{"rendered":"QotD: Reactionary views on American Progressives"},"content":{"rendered":"

In America, progressivism focuses on pointing out how terrible American culture is and how much other people\u2019s cultures are better than ours. If we celebrate Columbus Day, we have to spend the whole time hearing about what a jerk Columbus was (disclaimer: to be fair, Columbus was a huge<\/em> jerk). If we celebrate Washington\u2019s birthday, we have to spend the whole time hearing about how awful it was that Washington owned slaves. Goodness help us if someone tries to celebrate Christmas \u2013 there are now areas where if a city puts up Christmas decorations, it has to give equal space to atheist groups to put up displays about how Christmas is stupid and people who celebrate it suck<\/a>. That\u2019s \u2026 probably not the way to maximize cultural unity, exactly?<\/p>\n

We are a culture engaged in the continuing project of subverting itself. Our heroes have been toppled, our rituals mocked, and one gains status by figuring out new and better ways to show how the things that should unite us are actually stupid and oppressive. Even the conservatives who wear American flag lapel pins and stuff spend most of their time talking about how they hate America today and the American government and everything else associated with America except for those stupid flag pins of theirs.<\/p>\n

Compare this to olden cultures. If someone in Victorian Britain says \u201cGod save the Queen!\u201d, then everyone else repeated \u201cGod save the Queen!\u201d, and more important, they mean it. \u201cEngland expects every man to do their duty\u201d is actually perceived as a compelling reason<\/em> why one\u2019s duty should be done.<\/p>\n

It would seem that the Victorian British are more on the Mormon side and modern Americans more like the Unitarians. And in fact, the Victorians managed to colonize half the planet while America can\u2019t even get the Afghans to stop shooting each other. While one may not agree with Victorian Britain\u2019s aims, one has to wonder what would happen if that kind of will, energy, and unity of purpose were directed towards a worthier goal (I wonder this about the Mormon Church too).<\/p>\n

Reactionaries would go further and explore this idea in a depth I don\u2019t have time for, besides to say that they believe many historical cultures were carefully optimized and time-tested for unifying potential, and that they really sunk deep into the bones of the populace until failing to identify with them would have been unthinkable. The three cultures they most often cite as virtuous examples here are Imperial China, medieval Catholicism, and Victorian Britain; although it would be foolish to try to re-establish one of those exactly in a population not thoroughly steeped in them, we could at least try to make our own culture a little more like they were.<\/p>\n

Once again, the Reactionary claim is not necessarily that we have to brainwash people or drag the Jews kicking and screaming to Christmas parties. It\u2019s just that maybe we should stop deliberately optimizing society for as little unity and shared culture as humanly possible.<\/p>\n

Scott Alexander, “Reactionary Philosophy In An Enormous, Planet-Sized Nutshell”, Slate Star Codex<\/em><\/a>, 2013-03-03.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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