{"id":28107,"date":"2014-10-07T00:01:59","date_gmt":"2014-10-07T04:01:59","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/?p=28107"},"modified":"2014-10-04T17:20:29","modified_gmt":"2014-10-04T21:20:29","slug":"qotd-the-blue-tribe-reacts-to-two-famous-deaths","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/2014\/10\/07\/qotd-the-blue-tribe-reacts-to-two-famous-deaths\/","title":{"rendered":"QotD: The Blue Tribe&#8217;s reaction to two famous deaths"},"content":{"rendered":"<blockquote><p>The worst reaction I\u2019ve ever gotten to a blog post was when <a href=\"http:\/\/squid314.livejournal.com\/294986.html\" target=\"_blank\">I wrote about<\/a> the death of Osama bin Laden. I\u2019ve written all sorts of stuff about race and gender and politics and whatever, but that was the worst.<\/p>\n<p>I didn\u2019t come out and say I was happy he was dead. But some people interpreted it that way, and there followed a bunch of comments and emails and Facebook messages about how could I possibly be happy about the death of another human being, even if he was a bad person? Everyone, even Osama, is a human being, and we should never rejoice in the death of a fellow man. One commenter came out and said:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<p><em>I\u2019m surprised at your reaction. As far as people I casually stalk on the internet (ie, LJ and Facebook), you are the first out of the \u201cintelligent, reasoned and thoughtful\u201d group to be uncomplicatedly happy about this development and not to be, say, disgusted at the reactions of the other 90% or so.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/ul>\n<p>This commenter was right. Of the \u201cintelligent, reasoned, and thoughtful\u201d people I knew, the overwhelming emotion was conspicuous disgust that other people could be happy about his death. I hastily backtracked and said I wasn\u2019t happy per se, just surprised and relieved that all of this was finally behind us.<\/p>\n<p>And I genuinely believed that day that I had found some unexpected good in people \u2013 that everyone I knew was so humane and compassionate that they were unable to rejoice even in the death of someone who hated them and everything they stood for.<\/p>\n<p>Then a few years later, Margaret Thatcher died. And on my Facebook wall \u2013 made of these same \u201cintelligent, reasoned, and thoughtful\u201d people \u2013 the most common response was to quote some portion of the song \u201cDing Dong, The Witch Is Dead\u201d. Another popular response was to link the videos of British people spontaneously throwing parties in the street, with comments like \u201cI wish I was there so I could join in\u201d. From this exact same group of people, not a single expression of disgust or a \u201cc\u2019mon, guys, we\u2019re all human beings here.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>I <a href=\"http:\/\/slatestarcodex.com\/2013\/04\/12\/if-a-clod-be-washed-away-by-the-sea-europe-is-the-less\/\" target=\"_blank\">gently pointed this out<\/a> at the time, and mostly got a bunch of \u201cyeah, so what?\u201d, combined with links to an article claiming that \u201cthe demand for respectful silence in the wake of a public figure\u2019s death is not just misguided but dangerous\u201d.<\/p>\n<p>And that was when something clicked for me.<\/p>\n<p>You can talk all you want about Islamophobia, but my friend\u2019s \u201cintelligent, reasoned, and thoughtful people\u201d \u2013 her name for the Blue Tribe \u2013 can\u2019t get together enough energy to really hate Osama, let alone Muslims in general. We understand that what he did was bad, but it didn\u2019t anger us personally. When he died, we were able to very rationally apply our better nature and our Far Mode beliefs about how it\u2019s never right to be happy about anyone else\u2019s death.<\/p>\n<p>On the other hand, that same group absolutely loathed Thatcher. Most of us (though <a href=\"http:\/\/slatestarcodex.com\/2013\/04\/12\/if-a-clod-be-washed-away-by-the-sea-europe-is-the-less\/#comment-3355\" target=\"_blank\">not all<\/a>) can agree, if the question is posed explicitly, that Osama was a worse person than Thatcher. But in terms of actual gut feeling? Osama provokes a snap judgment of \u201cflawed human being\u201d, Thatcher a snap judgment of \u201cscum\u201d.<\/p>\n<p>[&#8230;]<\/p>\n<p>And my hypothesis, stated plainly, is that if you\u2019re part of the Blue Tribe, then your outgroup isn\u2019t al-Qaeda, or Muslims, or blacks, or gays, or transpeople, or Jews, or atheists \u2013 it\u2019s the Red Tribe.<\/p>\n<p>Scott Alexander, <a href=\"http:\/\/slatestarcodex.com\/2014\/09\/30\/i-can-tolerate-anything-except-the-outgroup\/\" target=\"_blank\">&#8220;I Can Tolerate Anything Except The Outgroup&#8221;, <em>Slate Star Codex<\/em><\/a>, 2014-09-30.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The worst reaction I\u2019ve ever gotten to a blog post was when I wrote about the death of Osama bin Laden. I\u2019ve written all sorts of stuff about race and gender and politics and whatever, but that was the worst. I didn\u2019t come out and say I was happy he was dead. 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