{"id":16950,"date":"2012-09-16T08:53:46","date_gmt":"2012-09-16T13:53:46","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/?p=16950"},"modified":"2012-09-16T08:54:34","modified_gmt":"2012-09-16T13:54:34","slug":"the-other-side-of-the-philip-rothwikipedia-spat","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/2012\/09\/16\/the-other-side-of-the-philip-rothwikipedia-spat\/","title":{"rendered":"The other side of the Philip Roth\/Wikipedia spat"},"content":{"rendered":"

I admit that I didn’t follow this story when it got (for a literary spat) saturation coverage in various media outlets. Here (speaking in a private capacity and not as an official Wikimedia Foundation spokesperson) is Oliver, and he’s got a bit of refuting to do<\/a>:<\/p>\n

First, this is not a fundamental flaw in Wikipedia\u2019s central precepts — this is one author and his agents being unable to navigate the internet and\/or report the truth with any degree of accuracy. This is our attempt to make our information not only accurate, but verifiable<\/em> — to ensure that readers have a hope in hell of actually checking the accuracy of our information. This is not achieved by enabling subjects to become the oracles of truth for any article that mentions them, or telling readers \u201cwe know it\u2019s accurate because Philip Roth said so, and you\u2019ll just have to trust us on that\u201d. We don\u2019t want<\/em> readers to trust us. We want readers to think and be able to do their own research.<\/p>\n

Second, maybe (although I doubt it) we need to have a frank debate over how we handle primary and secondary sourcing. But for all of the reasons explained above, Philip Roth and the Editorial of Azkaban is a terrible<\/em> poster boy for such a debate.<\/p>\n

Third: people should perhaps start having a debate about the way authors are treated in \u201cproper\u201d sources. The New Yorker<\/em>, the Guardian<\/em>, ABC News and the Los Angeles Times<\/em> — all respected bodies. And all, without being able and\/or willing to do their own research, happily published or republished Roth\u2019s assertions. We rely on these organisations for reporting what our politicians do, what our armed forces do, how entities with the power of life and death over humanity are accountable to the people. And they happily gulp down the glorified press releases of anyone who offers to let them touch his Pulitzer.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

There’s also a follow-up post<\/a> providing more information and explanation.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

I admit that I didn’t follow this story when it got (for a literary spat) saturation coverage in various media outlets. Here (speaking in a private capacity and not as an official Wikimedia Foundation spokesperson) is Oliver, and he’s got a bit of refuting to do: First, this is not a fundamental flaw in Wikipedia\u2019s […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[32,28],"tags":[86,477,213,444],"class_list":["post-16950","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-books","category-media","tag-criticism","tag-magazines","tag-newspapers","tag-wikipedia"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p2hpV6-4po","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/16950","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=16950"}],"version-history":[{"count":2,"href":"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/16950\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":16952,"href":"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/16950\/revisions\/16952"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=16950"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=16950"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=16950"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}