{"id":1113,"date":"2009-09-24T07:33:59","date_gmt":"2009-09-24T11:33:59","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/?p=1113"},"modified":"2009-09-24T07:33:59","modified_gmt":"2009-09-24T11:33:59","slug":"polls-and-the-25-nutty-fringe","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/2009\/09\/24\/polls-and-the-25-nutty-fringe\/","title":{"rendered":"Polls and the 25% nutty fringe"},"content":{"rendered":"

Over at The Crossed Pond<\/a>, Brad put together an interesting statistical post contrasting the “Birthers” with the “Truthers”:<\/p>\n

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Generally, I out-of-hand dismiss poll results under, say, 25% meant to imply that a party, country, or demographic are stupid or out of touch. Because almost always, those poll results are entirely without context. X% of Republicans believe Bill Clinton killed Vince Foster. OMG! Y% of Icelanders believe in pixies! What morons!<\/p>\n

The fact of the matter is, if you poll any<\/em> demographic on the right question, you can find a good chunk of them who believe in really dumb things. [. . .]<\/p>\n

But, according to my own general yardstick for such things, Trutherism falls about where I would expect it to — in the general range common to any nutty proposition. Roughly the same amount of Democrats believe in Trutherism as people believe in vampires. That says much less about Democrats than it does about the crazy shit people are inclined to believe.<\/p>\n

On the Birther question, however, we\u2019re pushing past the normal range of nuttiness, and are getting a bit more mainstream, at least in the Republican ranks. About twice as many people believe in Birtherism as I would expect them to applying my general rule of thumb. In other words, it\u2019s something more than run-of-the-mill crazy.<\/p>\n

What bothers me a bit more about this sort of thing entails my own assumptions about crazy thoughts, and is based on what one might call the galaxy of nuttiness that comes in the Truther\/Birther package. For example, a Truther, and I\u2019ve known many, will generally have a constellation of other beliefs that sort of goes part-and-parcel with Trutherism, and tends towards a fanatical skepticism about government in general. That often leads to them being \u201cdon\u2019t tread on me\u201d style libertarians, ala Ron Paul, or \u201cthe government is out to get you\u201d conspiracy theorists ala Alex Jones. Birtherism, and I\u2019ve known less but enough to generalize, tend towards a much more cultural\/racial\/religion based constellation of thoughts — there are Good Decent Americans and then there are the rest of them, from horrifying illegal immigrants to muslims demographically taking over Europe and about to instantiate Sharia law, etc. etc, which generally leads them into a weird tribalistic culture war crouch, ala \u201cwe are being taken over by Others\u201d culturists\/racists ala Lou Dobbs, or \u201cthere is a conspiracy to subjugate the American way of life\u201d hysterics ala Glenn Beck. <\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

Over at The Crossed Pond, Brad put together an interesting statistical post contrasting the “Birthers” with the “Truthers”: Generally, I out-of-hand dismiss poll results under, say, 25% meant to imply that a party, country, or demographic are stupid or out of touch. Because almost always, those poll results are entirely without context. X% of Republicans […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[53,13],"tags":[289,290],"class_list":["post-1113","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-politics","category-usa","tag-polls","tag-statistics"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p2hpV6-hX","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1113","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=1113"}],"version-history":[{"count":2,"href":"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1113\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":1115,"href":"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1113\/revisions\/1115"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=1113"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=1113"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=1113"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}