{"id":105120,"date":"2026-10-01T04:00:09","date_gmt":"2026-10-01T08:00:09","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/?p=105120"},"modified":"2026-09-30T12:32:12","modified_gmt":"2026-09-30T16:32:12","slug":"motte-and-bailey-doesnt-work-with-this-argument","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/quotulatiousness.ca\/blog\/motte-and-bailey-doesnt-work-with-this-argument\/","title":{"rendered":"“Motte and bailey” doesn’t work with this argument"},"content":{"rendered":"

Yesterday was nominally “Truth and Reconciliation Day” in Canada, but the government and progressive activist groups are actively trying to suppress honest questions about the whole Residential Schools topic and threatening jail time to those who refuse to mouth the slogans<\/a>:<\/p>\n

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This is an interesting thread, because he makes the motte and bailey explicit in a way they’re not usually careless enough to do.<\/p>\n

No one denies that the residential schools were rough, that the kids who went there were probably kind of sad, and that some of them died, due to contagious disease mostly. That’s all very unfortunate but doesn’t amount to much more than “kids get homesick at boarding school, discipline back then was often severe by modern standards, and medicine was primitive especially in remote areas”. This is the motte and it isn’t all that impactful because none of it is all that different from conditions that white kids lived through at the time, particularly in remote areas. <\/p>\n

But it was very specifically the claim of mass graves due to deliberate genocide that supercharged this issue back in 2021, with the implication that the residential schools were actually a cover for a policy of systematic extermination. At least I assume this is the charge, as they keep saying “genocide” and that’s what genocide is commonly understood to mean. This is the bailey.<\/p>\n

The problem is that there is no evidence for mass graves. The few times that they’ve been investigated no bodies were found. At the Kamloops site they deliberately refuse to even dig, which strikes people as suspicious. So people ask questions. It’s only natural to want something more concrete than “because I said so” when you’re being accused of genocide. <\/p>\n

So they then retreat to the motte of “well things were hard in the schools”, and okay, yes, they were, but that isn’t genocide. But the implication is that anyone asking for evidence in support of the genocide claim – anyone attacking the bailey – is engaging in “denialism” that the schools even existed or that conditions in the schools were often not ideal. Which literally no one does. <\/p>\n

This entire debate comes down to one question. Is the Canadian government guilty of a deliberate, systematic policy of genocide? Did it set out to exterminate the First Nations via the mass murder of their children? That’s it, that’s the issue, that’s what we’re fighting about.<\/p>\n

And there’s a very high bar of evidence for proving something like that. At a minimum, you need a whole lot of bones. <\/p>\n

Got any bones out in that bailey?<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Marc Emery<\/a> argues that the reservation system was a mistake and it has permanently immiserated most First Nations people and enriched a tiny minority who capture most of the benefits for themselves:<\/p>\n

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We should have abolished reservations and this idea of tribal land. Each native should have been given land that stays in that person’s family in perpetuity, and then we should have been done. <\/p>\n

Instead, tribal lands, reservations, the Rez, have been the worst places on Earth to have been a child or female. <\/p>\n

Rape, incest, predation, neglect and child abuse, alcoholism, drug addiction, abandonment, murder, violent assault, domestic violence; no child or youth was spared being witness to this grim experience in their tribal homes. <\/p>\n

Statistics don’t lie. No one hates their women more than native men. <\/p>\n

The residential schools were much safer. <\/p>\n

That was one of the main reasons for residential schools and the 60’s Scoop, get the children away from the dangerous and predatory reserve life. Many mothers who sent their children to residential schools knew this.<\/p>\n

This is the truth that must be reconciled. The Whites have paid their dues in triplicate. No more tribute, no more money, no more land. <\/p>\n

The natives have to raise themselves up. Blaming the Whites is over. The children of today should not be tax slaves to a pay tens of billions of dollars in annual tributes to a culture that has been so barbaric to women, children, that had slaves, were in constant warfare before the establishment of Canada, that invented nothing, that received the benefits of every technological advance at no cost to these “indigenous” who gladly — eagerly — abandon their ancient traditions for every benefit of European\/Canadian invention and wonder.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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