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		<title>A surprising admission in Conrad Black&#8217;s survey of the Muslim world</title>
		<link>http://quotulatiousness.ca/blog/2012/01/21/a-surprising-admission-in-conrad-blacks-survey-of-the-muslim-world/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jan 2012 16:29:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Nicholas</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The surprise? The unexpectedly nice words for, of all people, former prime minister Jean Chrétien: All this toing and froing begs the question of why the West has expended such time and resources in Afghanistan, where Pakistan is the chief backer of the main killer of NATO forces (the Haqqani faction), and the chief supplier [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The surprise? The unexpectedly nice words for, of all people, former prime minister <a href="http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2012/01/21/conrad-black-theres-hope-amid-the-chaos-in-the-muslim-world/" target="_blank">Jean Chrétien</a>:</p>
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<p>All this toing and froing begs the question of why the West has expended such time and resources in Afghanistan, where Pakistan is the chief backer of the main killer of NATO forces (the Haqqani faction), and the chief supplier of ammonium nitrate, the principal ingredient in anti-personnel bombs used against Western forces.</p>
<p>We all started into Afghanistan in 2001 in solidarity with the Americans after the terrorist attacks on New York and Washington. The Americans largely decamped to Iraq after a year, became mired in the quicksand of nation-building, and then in the even deeper and more hopeless morass of trying to make something out of the gigantic, murderous cesspool of Pakistan. It is time this country recognized its debt to Jean Chrétien for taking a pass on the Iraq debacle &mdash; and I was one who disagreed with him at the time (though I then had no idea the U.S. would try to take over the governance of the country and try to turn it into Oklahoma).</p>
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<p>Although he may have been right in hindsight, he was right for the wrong reason. Prime minister Chrétien &#8220;volunteered&#8221; Canadian military support in Afghanistan to ensure that we could not be expected to help in Iraq (because in the parlous state of the Canadian Forces, it was impossible for us to support more than one overseas campaign). The Canadian troops did magnificent work in Afghanistan, and certainly raised Canada&#8217;s stock with our allies, but we were there &mdash; politically &mdash; to avoid being in Iraq.</p>
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		<title>On the other hand, that may be a feature rather than a bug</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Nov 2011 15:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Nicholas</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pakistan is trying to conceal the location of its nuclear weapons from US spy satellites, and the concern voiced in this article is that they&#8217;re using low-security techniques to do it. On the other hand, if you&#8217;re actually trying to get nuclear warheads into the hands of terrorists with a certain degree of deniability, this [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pakistan is trying to conceal the location of its nuclear weapons from US spy satellites, and the concern voiced in <a href="http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hl_vZqjJHYTQL-3LlinxBrEl8oJQ?docId=CNG.d8a458444a1f0fb688322c8410b26047.431" target="_blank">this article</a> is that they&#8217;re using low-security techniques to do it. On the other hand, if you&#8217;re actually trying to get nuclear warheads into the hands of terrorists with a certain degree of deniability, this is certainly a way to do it:</p>
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<p>Pakistan has begun moving its nuclear weapons in low-security vans on congested roads to hide them from US spy agencies, making the weapons more vulnerable to theft by Islamist militants, two US magazines reported Friday.</p>
<p>The Atlantic and the National Journal, in a joint report citing unnamed sources, wrote that the US raid that killed Al-Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden in May at his Pakistani compound reinforced Islamabad&#8217;s longstanding fears that Washington could try to dismantle the country&#8217;s nuclear arsenal.</p>
<p>As a result, the head of the Strategic Plans Divisions (SPD), which is charged with safeguarding Pakistan&#8217;s atomic weapons, was ordered to take action to keep the location of nuclear weapons and components hidden from the United States, the report said.</p>
<p>Khalid Kidwai, the retired general who leads the SPD, expanded his agency&#8217;s efforts to disperse components and sensitive materials to different facilities, it said.</p>
<p>But instead of transporting the nuclear parts in armored, well-defended convoys, the atomic bombs &#8220;capable of destroying entire cities are transported in delivery vans on congested and dangerous roads,&#8221; according to the report.</p>
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		<title>Pakistan&#8217;s conspiracy theories inhibit real world action</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Oct 2011 12:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Nicholas</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Strategy Page looks at one of the big problems in getting Pakistan&#8217;s co-operation on security issues: American leaders are dismayed as they keep encountering Pakistani politicians and military officials who believe all their troubles are caused by Indian, American and Israeli conspiracies. Pakistan is full of this stuff, and those who believe it are not [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.strategypage.com/qnd/india/articles/20111021.aspx" target="_blank">Strategy Page</a> looks at one of the big problems in getting Pakistan&#8217;s co-operation on security issues:</p>
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<p>American leaders are dismayed as they keep encountering Pakistani politicians and military officials who believe all their troubles are caused by Indian, American and Israeli conspiracies. Pakistan is full of this stuff, and those who believe it are not eager to consider alternatives. While the Pakistani fears are largely based on fiction, the growing number of Indians killed by Pakistani sponsored (and based) terrorism is very real. There are Pakistanis who understand the reality of all this and some of them are diplomats. But as long as most Pakistani leaders, and most of the Pakistani media, embrace the conspiracy theories, real peace is not likely. But at least the diplomats from each nation can discuss possibilities.</p>
<p>The U.S. constantly points to the continuing presence of Islamic terror groups in Pakistani sanctuaries. That is difficult for the Pakistanis to deny. The major danger here is that if a big attack is made in the United States, and tracked back to a Pakistani sanctuary, this could trigger a public call for war with Pakistan. Even many senior Pakistanis recognize this danger and try to control the terrorists they host. This precarious situation won&#8217;t go away as long as the terrorist sanctuaries (mainly North Waziristan and Quetta) are openly protected by Pakistani leaders. But without admitting anything to the Americans, Pakistan has apparently ordered some Haqqani personnel and bases out of North Waziristan. This might just be Haqqani fleeing an area that American intelligence knew too well, and that might have been under the advice of Pakistani intelligence. The movement of Haqqani personnel, to Afghanistan or elsewhere in the tribal territories, is making life difficult for the many foreign terrorists who find sanctuary (and work) with Haqqani. The desire to impose greater security on the new Haqqani bases means foreign recruits will take a lot longer to be led in. </p>
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		<title>Britain suffered higher proportional casualties than the US in Afghanistan</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Oct 2011 14:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Nicholas</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[A brief item from Strategy Page on the relative casualties suffered by the major allied combatants over the course of the Afghanistan campaign: In ten years of combat in Afghanistan, some 2,700 foreign troops have died. Most (67 percent) were American. The next two nations in terms of combat losses were Britain (14.1 percent) and [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A brief item from <a href="http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htatrit/articles/20111006.aspx" target="_blank">Strategy Page</a> on the relative casualties suffered by the major allied combatants over the course of the Afghanistan campaign:</p>
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<p>In ten years of combat in Afghanistan, some 2,700 foreign troops have died. Most (67 percent) were American. The next two nations in terms of combat losses were Britain (14.1 percent) and Canada (5.8 percent). Adjusted for population size, Britain suffered five percent more combat deaths than the United States. On the same basis, Canada suffered about 80 percent as many deaths as the United States.</p>
<p>All three of these nations had their troops in the south (Kandahar and Helmand provinces, where most of the heroin came from) or along the southeast border (mainly Pakistan&#8217;s North Waziristan area, long a sanctuary for Islamic terror groups). There were a few other NATO nations, plus Australia, that had small contingents in the south, but most NATO nations put their troops in more peaceful north, with orders to stay out of trouble and avoid casualties. </p>
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		<title>The tight spot Pakistan finds itself in</title>
		<link>http://quotulatiousness.ca/blog/2011/10/05/the-tight-spot-pakistan-finds-itself-in/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Oct 2011 14:41:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Nicholas</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[More on the Pakistani situation from Strategy Page: In Pakistan, decades of anti-American and anti-Indian propaganda, and support for Islamic radicalism, has brought the country to the brink of disaster. The U.S. has stopped being discreet and secretive about Pakistani military and intelligence (ISI) attacks on Americans during the last decade. These attacks were played [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More on the Pakistani situation from <a href="http://www.strategypage.com/qnd/india/articles/20111005.aspx" target="_blank">Strategy Page</a>:</p>
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<p>In Pakistan, decades of anti-American and anti-Indian propaganda, and support for Islamic radicalism, has brought the country to the brink of disaster. The U.S. has stopped being discreet and secretive about Pakistani military and intelligence (ISI) attacks on Americans during the last decade. These attacks were played down in the hope that Pakistan could be persuaded to eliminate the pro-terrorist people in the army and ISI. This didn&#8217;t happen. The army and the ISI needed the Islamic radicals, to keep tensions with India high (via Pakistani-backed terror attacks in Kashmir and elsewhere in India.) The army/ISI leaders fear loss of their large share of the national economy if the Indian &#8220;threat&#8221; is viewed more realistically. The political parties, which are corrupt, and often allies of the military, have backed the generals in their opposition to American demands to crack down on Islamic terrorism. Most Pakistanis believe that the United States cannot possibly operate in Afghanistan without the support of Pakistan. This despite vigorous NATO efforts to shift their supply lines from Pakistan to Central Asia. Pakistan believes that possession of nuclear weapons will keep the United States from doing anything drastic, like more raids into Pakistan to destroy terrorists. The May raid to kill Osama bin Laden shows that the U.S. could, and would, do this. Now Pakistan has said it will not shut down Islamic terrorist sanctuaries in North Waziristan (in the northeast) and Quetta (in the southwest). The U.S. says that if the Pakistanis won&#8217;t the U.S. will. Pakistan says that if America tries that, it will mean war. It&#8217;s no secret that the U.S. has made plans to seize Pakistani nuclear weapons, and India has just signed a cooperation treaty with Afghanistan. Pakistanis like to believe that they have America in a corner, but it&#8217;s becoming more likely that it is Pakistan that has painted itself into a corner. Pakistan has long complained of being surrounded by conspiracies and enemies. Now, because of Pakistani support for Islamic terrorism, those fears are about to become true. Pakistan denies any responsibility for this, insisting that it is the victim. That will make no difference in the end, other than to provide some incredulous footnotes in the histories of the late, great, Pakistan. </p>
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		<title>The key to peace in Afghanistan? The Pakistani army and the ISI</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Oct 2011 16:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Nicholas</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Strategy Page explains why Afghanistan will not be peaceful until the Pakistani army and their local equivalent of the CIA stop meddling: The U.S. and Afghanistan still believe a negotiated peace is possible, but Pakistan, not the Taliban, must be the counterparty. And it&#8217;s not Pakistan the country that must negotiate, but the Pakistani Army [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.strategypage.com/qnd/afghan/articles/20111003.aspx" target="_blank">Strategy Page</a> explains why Afghanistan will not be peaceful until the Pakistani army and their local equivalent of the CIA stop meddling:</p>
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<p>The U.S. and Afghanistan still believe a negotiated peace is possible, but Pakistan, not the Taliban, must be the counterparty. And it&#8217;s not Pakistan the country that must negotiate, but the Pakistani Army and the ISI (the Pakistani ISI/military intelligence organization). These two organizations have been running their own foreign policy for decades. The army/ISI has gotten rich by gaining control over a large chunk of the national economy and government budget. It&#8217;s all done with coercion, corruption and constant anti-Indian/anti-American propaganda. The Pakistani Army cannot justify its privileged position unless they convince the Pakistani people that there is a major threat out there. So the army/ISI has created fearsome foes. This includes Afghanistan, which they portray as a puppet for India and America and a major threat to Pakistan. Most Afghans reject this, and see the Taliban as a Pakistani tool. While many Afghans appreciate scattered Taliban efforts to reduce corruption, they mainly want less violence. The Taliban has been the major source of violence for nearly two decades, and most Afghans want peace. The Taliban want control, above all else. But now, facing severe combat losses, lower morale and defections, increased terror attacks are believed more for internal purposes (to build Taliban morale) than to weaken the Afghan government.</p>
<p>Afghanistan is looking north, towards Central Asia, for economic growth, and as a safer way to move goods into and out of the country. Pakistan is seen as more of an enemy, and not a reliable economic partner. Central Asia, on the other hand, is more stable, and offers as many economic opportunities. Afghanistan calls this the &#8220;Silk Road Solution&#8221; in memory of the ancient trade route between China and the Middle East (and India), which ran through western Afghanistan. Ocean going European sailing ships put the Silk Road out of business five centuries ago, but the end of the Soviet Union in 1991 has opened Central Asia to more customers and suppliers, including Afghanistan. The Silk Road is returning, as a local economic thoroughfare.</p>
<p>As part of the new approach to Pakistan, the U.S. has revealed that many deaths of American troops along the Afghan border were actually caused by Pakistani troops, not Taliban fighters. These details had been kept quiet for years, to maintain good relations with Pakistan. But now the Pakistani army and ISI are seen as out-of-control, so the gloves are off. </p>
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		<title>Nick Gillespie and Matt Welch on a libertarian foreign policy</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jul 2011 16:31:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The third part of an interview with Gillespie and Welch, covering libertarian foreign policy ideas:]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The third part of an interview with Gillespie and Welch, covering libertarian <a href="http://dailycaller.com/2011/07/17/thedc-interview-nick-gillespie-and-matt-welch-on-a-libertarian-foreign-policy/#ixzz1SNf5gry8" target="_blank">foreign policy</a> ideas:</p>
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		<title>&#8220;RAF&#8217;s new superfighter was thrashed in the very type of combat it is supposed to be best at by a 1970s-era plane&#8221;</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jun 2011 11:24:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Nicholas</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lewis Page talks about claims from a Pakistani Air Force fighter pilot that their F-16s had &#8220;shot down&#8221; Royal Air Force Typhoons in three separate air training exercises in Turkey. The RAF Typhoon, formerly known as the Eurofighter, should nonetheless have been vastly superior in air-to-air combat whether BVR or close in within visual range [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/06/08/eurofighter_beaten_by_f16/" target="_blank">Lewis Page</a> talks about claims from a Pakistani Air Force fighter pilot that their F-16s had &#8220;shot down&#8221; Royal Air Force Typhoons in three separate air training exercises in Turkey.</p>
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<p>The RAF Typhoon, formerly known as the Eurofighter, should nonetheless have been vastly superior in air-to-air combat whether BVR or close in within visual range (WVR). The cripplingly expensive, long-delayed Eurofighter was specifically designed to address the defects of its predecessor the Tornado F3 &mdash; famously almost useless in close-in, dogfighting-style air combat. The Typhoon was meant to see off such deadly in-close threats as Soviet &#8220;Fulcrums&#8221; and &#8220;Flankers&#8221; using short-range missiles fired using helmet-mounted sight systems: such planes were thought well able to beat not just Tornados but F-16s in close fighting, and this expectation was borne out after the Cold War when the Luftwaffe inherited some from the East German air force and tried them out in exercises.</p>
<p>Thus it is that huge emphasis was placed on manoeuvring capability and dogfighting in the design of the Eurofighter. The expensive Euro-jet was initially designed, in fact, as a pure fighter with no ground attack options at all &mdash; bomber capability has had to be retrofitted subsequently at still more expense. Despite lacking various modern technologies such as Stealth and thrust-vectoring the resulting Typhoon is generally touted as being one of the best air-to-air combat planes in the world right now. Certainly it is meant to be good in close fighting: it is armed with the Advanced Short Range Air to Air Missile (ASRAAM) which as its name suggests is intended for the close WVR fight.</p>
<p>Perhaps the account above is simply a lie, or anyway a bit of a fighter pilot tall story. But the pilot quoted will be easily identifiable inside his community if not to the outside world, and he could expect a lot of flak for telling a lie on such a matter in public. It seems likelier that the story is the truth as he perceived it: that the RAF&#8217;s new superfighter was thrashed in the very type of combat it is supposed to be best at by a 1970s-era plane, albeit much modernised.</p>
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		<title>US had prepared to fight Pakistan over Bin Laden raid</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 May 2011 16:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Strategy Page reports that the US military had made contingency plans to cover Pakistani military intervention in the raid that killed Osama bin Laden: On May 2nd, the United States was prepared to go to war with Pakistan. The American raid on that day, which killed Osama bin Laden and seized a huge mass of [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htmurph/articles/20110515.aspx" target="_blank">Strategy Page</a> reports that the US military had made contingency plans to cover Pakistani military intervention in the raid that killed Osama bin Laden:</p>
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<p>On May 2nd, the United States was prepared to go to war with Pakistan. The American raid on that day, which killed Osama bin Laden and seized a huge mass of al Qaeda data from his Pakistani hideout, was carried out without informing Pakistan beforehand. Although Pakistan had years earlier agreed that the U.S. could enter Pakistani territory in hot pursuit of terrorists fleeing Afghanistan, or to grab high ranking al Qaeda leaders, it was always assumed that the U.S. would let the Pakistani military know what was coming. But because the Pakistani government was full of bin Laden fans, the U.S. did not inform Pakistan about the raid until it was underway. Apparently, that message included a reminder that if the U.S. troops in the bin Laden compound were attacked by Pakistani forces, there would be instant, and far-reaching, consequences.</p>
<p>The extent of those consequences have since been pieced together, from unclassified information. By May 2nd, the U.S. had assembled a huge naval and air force in the region, that was pointed at Pakistan. This force would attack any Pakistani troops or warplanes that went after the U.S. forces in the bin Laden compound, or who might be able to do so. The U.S. had assembled three aircraft carriers, hundreds of air force aircraft in Afghanistan and the Persian Gulf, and dozens of helicopters, and thousands of troops, in Afghanistan. Most of these troops didn&#8217;t know what they were alerted for. Such alerts happen all the time, often for no reason (as far as the troops are concerned.) But this time, as word of the bin Laden raid got out, it became obvious (at least to those who know how these things work) that the alerts throughout the region were to prepare for the possible need to quickly get the American raiders out, and destroy any Pakistani forces that sought to interfere. </p>
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		<title>Confused about the details of the Bin Laden raid? So&#8217;s the White House</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2011 16:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jon sent me this link which is a systematic attempt to draw together all the information/misinformation/disinformation about the Abbotabad raid: Usually when governments use misinformation, they use it to make themselves look good. The Obama Administration gets points for originality, insofar as it’s been using disinformation and misinformation to make itself look arbitrary, unlawful, helpless [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon sent me <a href="http://www.bookwormroom.com/2011/05/04/the-obama-administrations-cloud-of-confusion-explained/" target="_blank">this link</a> which is a systematic attempt to draw together all the information/misinformation/disinformation about the Abbotabad raid:</p>
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<p>Usually when governments use misinformation, they use it to make themselves look good.  The Obama Administration gets points for originality, insofar as it’s been using disinformation and misinformation to make itself look arbitrary, unlawful, helpless and stupid.  Here’s jj’s great summary:</p>
<p><em>Okay, what do we have here:</p>
<p>1) There was a firefight.<br />
2) There was no firefight.<br />
3) Bin Laden was “resisting.”<br />
4) Bin Laden wasn’t armed.  (Makes the concept of “resisting” interesting.)<br />
[4.a) And the newest one: the SEALS thought bin Laden was reaching for a weapon.]<br />
5) He used his wife as a shield.<br />
6) His wife was killed too.<br />
7) He didn’t use his wife as a shield.  She ran at a SEAL who shot her in the leg, but she’s fine.<br />
8 ) Some other woman &mdash; the maid? &mdash; was used as a shield.  By somebody.  Downstairs.<br />
9) That other woman &mdash; downstairs &mdash; was killed.<br />
10) Maybe not.  She was killed unless she wasn’t &mdash; and who was she, anyway?</em></p>
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<p>That&#8217;s less than half the list.</p>
<p>Stay on message? They&#8217;d have to have agreed on what the actual message is first.</p>
<p>Back to the original post, which has been updated a few times:</p>
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<p>When people say “something is wrong here,” they’re sort of right.  The “<em>here</em>” in which the wrongness resides isn’t this specific news story.  Instead, it’s an overarching pathology that we’re talking about.</p>
<p>That is, the SEALS did what they did.  What’s driving everyone bonkers is that this administration is incapable of being straightforward.  Serpentine deceit is its MO, regardless of the topic, whether birth certificates, health care debates, or sanctioned assassinations.  Everything is wrapped in a web of lies and confusion because of the paranoia, personality disorders, narcissism, and sociopathy that walk the White House halls.</p>
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